Here is the original simple and eloguent comment exchange followed by what started as a simple reply that grew into the post you are reading now.
From one delusion to another.
2/09/2007 08:29:00 PM
Indigo Red said...
Perhaps. But one of those delusions is a whole lot less fatal than the other.
2/09/2007 10:14:00 PM
2/10/2007 08:12:00 AM
Yes, even historically, Mudkitty. There is no edict -none - in the Christian faith that commands killing unbelievers, atheists, non-believers, homosexuals, apostates, adulterers and adulteresses, mockers of the faith, heretics, rape victims, disobedient girls and women, as there is in Islam. That Christians have killed is undeniable, but that was not a function of the faith; it was a function of the people doing the killing who, oh, by the way, were Christians.
The killing today by Islam is far more immediate than historical references to killings done by Christians. You cannot provide even one instant example of Christians, as a whole, killing others just and simply because their beliefs differ from the common dogma. I highly doubt, Mudkitty, you are trying to convince us that, because Christians killed despite the strictures during the past two thousand years, it's now Islam's turn to kill willy-nilly for we all know turn-about is fair play and all's fair in warfare, et cetera. However, if that is your argument, then, at least, have the brass balls to distinctly say so.
Islam says, 'KILL, KILL, KILL!', 'kill the unbelievers wherever you find them and chop at their necks', 'the rocks and trees will say, Oh, Believer, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him', 'women caught in adultery (even being raped) shall be stoned to death', 'homosexuals who are caught shall be put to death by having a brick wall toppled upon them', 'apostates shall be thrown from the highest building.' I'm not making any of this up. It's all there in the Quran and/or the Traditions, and Sharia. And the practices continue unto the present hour.
Christianity says, 'Love your enemy,' 'if you are struck on the right cheek, turn to him also the left,' 'do unto others as would you would have done unto you.' The fact that Christians have killed millions DESPITE the objections of the religious teachings and the Muslims have killed millions and continue to kill BECAUSE of their religious teachings is a very telling and significant point. That people on your side of the debate, Mudkitty, can't distinguish any difference at all is also exceedingly telling about your philosophies and the lack of morals therein.
Nowhere in all of Islam, the religion or tradition, is there any mention of "loving" one's enemy. The references to the violence of Islam, by Islam, and for Islam are numerable and easy to find. Mudkitty, you cannot show us any reference in Islam, Quran, or Hadith that says don't kill your enemy - not one. Killing in the name of their god, Al'lah, Mohammad, and for Shi'ites, Ali is not only acceptable, but required to get into Paradise. Otherwise, one's fate established at one's creation is already determined. Whether a good life or an evil life is lead, the fate of one's soul is predetermined by the god, only by killing a member of a proscribed group can the fate be changed and Paradise found.
Neither can you find anything even closely resembling a command, hint, or suggestion in the Christian New Testament in which the Messiah ever says or hints it is alright, just, and good to kill or cause harm to others even if they are not of the same kinship group or religious philosophy in the name of Adonai or Jesus.
Go ahead, Mudkitty, prove me wrong. And maybe along the way, you'll learn a thing or two.
The life of Indigo Red is full of adventure. Tune in next time for the Further Adventures of Indigo Red.