Tuesday, February 20, 2007

Civilization IS Hamburgers, BBQs, Beer and Boobs

Planck's Constant blogger, Bernie, received this comment mocking Western Civilization followed by his rebuttal:

Systematic torture and sexual abuse at Abu Graib Jail and UK forces mindlessly beating innocent children in Iraq!!! The results of western civilisation? Is that what it taught you? These are definitely not isolated events. By browsing through the blogosphere one can smell the scent of hate for muslims gushing out from jewish and christian people. The muslims are just recovering from the political games of the cold war, which were instigated by western countries. Being civilised is not about hamburgers, BBQs, Beer and boobs, not to mention high tech living. It is about raising the level of human understanding. Being able to think and think about ones own thinking and actions. Both the Christian and Jewish societies, not all though, are behaving barbaric."

OK, let examine the issues he brought up:

Systematic torture and sexual abuse at Abu Graib Jail

I'm devastated as an American to see some of our soldiers doing this; hopefully we will train soldiers to react better when confronted by those who would destroy us; but I am certain much of the Muslim reaction to it is a sham. Islam will take any incident or perceived slight to stage some sort of outrage to hide the disgrace it feels from being a failed civilization. "boo hoo - we could have been this Great Empire but for the Crusader dogs!". Yes, and the Yankees could have gone to the 2004 World Series but for the Zionist Boston Red Sox!" You lost. Get over it.

But back to Muslims' feigned outrage at Abu Graib:

Ask any person in the entire world if they had to be a prisoner and there was no choice but to pick A or B, which would it be:

A) to be a Muslim and have US soldiers guarding you, or
B) be a US soldier and have Muslims guarding you?

No sane person would ever pick B. Why? Because modern Western Civilization even in torture is humane. Any Muslim that tells you he would rather have his head chopped off than have an American female brushing her breasts against him is either a lunatic or pulling an al-taqiyya on you.

Are there people guarding prisoners that should not be or that are excessively cruel? No doubt; and we certainly need to root them out. But you can't argue results: 0% of Muslim Prisoners are beheaded as against almost 100% of Prisoners
taken by your team. Go ahead, Farook, explain to me how B is more civilized than A.

UK forces mindlessly beating innocent children in Iraq

That's an outright lie. They weren't children, they weren't innocent, and they weren't mindlessly beaten. Read Thugs Beaten by UK soldiers deserved it.

These are definitely not isolated events

That's an egregious exaggeration. Since 9/11 one can count on one hand the very few isolated incidents of Americans going nuts. The count for the Muslim side? Currently it is over 7500 at the ReligionofPeace.

If you really want to see who is mercilessly beating the crap out of Muslims look in your own backyard: it is your fellow Muslims:

A Pakistani policeman beats a protester during a demonstration against the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, in Peshawar, 15 February 2006.

Extreme Muslim groups did protest at the violent reactions of their own police against "peaceful" protesters, but I only see the officer here doing what is expected of him to maintain peace. All soldiers and police react harshly against those who disrupt public order. Those are the rules. You break them - don't ask for sympathy - even from a fellow Muslim.

Being civilised is not about hamburgers, BBQs, Beer and boobs, not to mention high tech living

It would have been more alliterative to have said, "Burgers, BBQs, beer and boobs are barbaric". But regardless, I disagree with you. What made Christians and Jews civilized is precisely that. At one time Jews were just like you: primitive, barbaric, cruel and superstitious. But they evolved and now ignore the barbaric portions of the Old Testament. Christians not too long ago burnt witches at the stake and buried adulterers alive. But they grew out of that. The more a country appreciates burgers, BBQs, beer and boobs, the more civilized it is.

Islam still has to grow out of this:

This picture was sent to Dr. Homa Darabi from a woman in Iran. This picture was taken 20 days after she was lashed fifty times for being present at a family gathering where men other than her father and brother were present. Her crime? She is a single woman. It is forbidden for women to be present under the same roof with men other than their close relatives (father, brother and son) without a proper hijab.

Islam civilized? Don't be ridiculous.

Now, Farook, go out there and get yourself drunk and laid. Perhaps then Islam can become part of the modern world.

Now, I don't normally rip-off another blogger's posts wholesale, but Bernie is a much better writer than me and he's much smarter too, but don't go blabbing that all about. And this was such an excellent post, I didn't want to chop it up. However, I did use some different photos because I can do that. For all the links that are associated with the original post, click on the link at the start or visit Planck's Constant here.

The life of Indigo Red is full of adventure. Tune in next time for the Further Adventures of Indigo Red.


The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Sorry...what were you writing about? I was distracted and held a bit mesmerized by that first photo there. I think I'll have to come back in the morning, when I'm fresh, to reread this.

Or I could just fake it and say...

Great post! (the photo, that is)

Mike's America said...

fine Wordsmith... leave it to me to provide a substantive comment :)

We know that in the Muslim world lying plays an important role. So it's easy to misrepresent the actions of the U.S. and ignore those of Islamofascists.

But they've taken it to such extremes that truth has become relative.

Or am I talking about Democrats? There's not much difference.

Especially when you have Senior U.S. Senator like Dick Durtbag, on the floor of the U.S. Senate compare the actions of our troops to Nazis, Soviets in their Gulags and Pol Pot.

What has happened is that reality has been warped to the point where it is easy for many on the left to remain in delusion and denial about the threat we face.

Meanwhile, things get a bit twisted in muzzie world when they compare US actions to the holocaust at the same time denying the holocaust ever happened.

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Basically, what Mike said.

bernie said...

I appreciate the compliments. I'm flattered that you published my post and thanks for the links.

As long as I get attribution (and flattery) reprint whatever you like, it's important that the word gets spread.

I'm also appreciative that you hosted and changed the photos.

Indigo Red said...

Mike, quite a while ago, many bloggers, including yours truly, pointed out that the US takes the hit when things go wrong, look like they've gone wrong, or even slightly hint of something amiss BECAUSE we all expect the bad guys to act barbarically since they are barbarians, that's what they do. However, the US is a nation of the civilized. Civilized people don't do barbaric stuff.

As Mr. Spock taught an entire generation, "It is much easier for the civilized man to act as a barbarian than for the barbarian to act in a civilized man." Our search for grace has hampered our ability to defend ourselves in an appropriate manner.

Bernie, it's always good to read your words and rip them off from time to time. The word must get out no matter how it is done, the word must be spread like peanut butter so it sticks to the roofs of people's mouths, or kills those who are allergic to the spreading word.